7/2/2008
11:19:47 PM 

I believe NOFMA states "Moisture Barrier"? with solids?
I know of no manufacturer who states "glue 3/4" solid to concrete".

NOFMA States:
Historically, NOFMA has not recommended glue-down application of wood fl ooring to a concrete slab. The basis
for this position has been that NOFMA standards for wood fl ooring manufacture assume the fl ooring will be
installed on wood based subfl ooring systems with mechanical wood fasteners, nails, cleats, staples, etc. Today,
building homes on concrete slabs is the normal construction technique in many areas of the country.
In recent years, advancements in adhesive technology and moisture retarders have made it possible to successfully
glue solid wood fl ooring to concrete slabs in situations other than parquet applications. A concrete slab does
not behave the same way as a traditional wood system, particularly with respect to nailing. In addition, a slab
can be a potential moisture source and adversely affect the performance of the fl ooring in dramatic fashion. As such, glue-down pplications require the installer to take additional steps to ensure success. Still, some wood flooring manufacturers may not approve of direct glue down application of their solid wood products. As such you should always follow the instructions and limitations published by the manufacturer. When in doubt, NOFMA recommends checking with the manufacturer prior to Installation.

These installation recommendations address solid strip and plank fl ooring up to fi ve inches in width. NOFMA does
not recommend gluing down solid wood fl ooring that is wider than five inches.

Do not begin installation until proper conditions have been met and all inadequacies have been remediated. Where
the potential for high moisture conditions exists, use a vapor retarder compatible with the adhesive system. Even
in optimum conditions with the unexpected occurrence of temporary high moisture or unusual environmental conditions this type of retarder should be considered as a safeguard to ensure good performance of the wood flooring.

KEYWORDS STATEMENT:

Directions For Installation:
Always read and follow the instructions provided by both the fl ooring manufacturer and the adhesive manufacturer.
Because the solid wood flooring will be in contact with the concrete slab, a potential moisture source, attentionto detail cannot be emphasized enough. Proper handling and storage, jobsite conditions, and installation technique are all critical to providing a properly performing fl oor. Follow the manufacturers' directions precisely.
TAKE NO SHORTCUTS.

In short: this is not a NOFMA installation, it is NOFMA saying "Go ahead and do it, but follow manufacturer directions".

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7/3/2008
6:56:23 AM 

So in short this is a NOFMA endorsement of gluing solids up to 5 inches in width.

7/3/2008
12:05:49 PM 

stephen,
the credentials are listed on my site.

www.FlooringExpert.com
or
www.RayDarrah.com

and they are scanned and uploaded, which reminds me;;; I must take the time to update all my personal web pages... thank you for reminding me.

7/3/2008
4:33:19 PM 

Because Ray as we have seen lately many people can and do (like the ones on sites like yours claiming to be NWFA certified that were not) put up misleading...or they do not intentionally do it, but rather they do not check the credentials listed on websites. Meaning...unless you can show the certificate of completion or certification then it don't count.

Simple as that. I know you own a camera. So you say you attended the NOFMA/NWFA school 12 years ago but cannot produce any evidence of it. How about all those others credentials? Got any of those?

7/3/2008
7:45:37 PM 

Stephen is a funny man.
Almost all the credentials on at the site www.FlooringExpert.com.
Now to update it, as there are more to put up there.

Also, I'm in the NOFMA program for Inspection Certification and you MUST attend the NOFMA/NWFA installation course before being in the Inspection program.

But, I have nothing Stephen. You are right.

7/3/2008
8:14:35 PM 

oh Ray, this is so sad, after all these years, you find you have
nothing?
listen, post an address, I will send five bucks,,,, :(


just teasing,,,just drank my, carrot, kale, beet, wheatgrass,
celery, mixed greens juice,,,,I'm good for another 24 hours...

by the way, did you guys, esp.'ly us old guys! read that
watermelon rhine is just like those sex pills for men,,,,and good
for the heart as the same time,,,only problem, I think you might
have to eat a whole watermelon rhine, ummmm,,,,,well, well, no
thanks, I think if a man ate the whole thing, it would be him not
in the mood for a change!

Ray, relax, it is called trying to lighten up the mood, not a
perversion.

7/4/2008
1:20:00 AM 

ummm, well, with more and more on grade constructions,,,,it will
be happening more and more,,,,

now, question, for wide planks, how long has the NWFA had the
recommendations that they be nailed and glued?

what is the main reason for not gluing down solids to some types
of subflooring panels?

ain't life fun!

7/4/2008
8:54:32 PM 

I have not seen that in print from NOFMA, however I did an inspection for Somerset and they recommend gluing and nailing on anything over 4 inch width.

7/6/2008
3:50:28 PM 

They recommend a bead of "quality urethane" adhesive down the length of the board, then nail it.
I'll see if I can find the link. You can't trowel it on because you would get glue on the foot of the gun.

7/6/2008
7:22:22 PM 

I cannot find a statement on this issue and have not seen an installation of this to the best of my knowledge.
I still think the glue, whether it be a bead or not, would leave a thickness at the edge and hollow in the middle?

I don't know what it is, but something does not sound right about this procedure to me.