8/12/2008
9:10:49 AM 

more info please if anyone has it,
like, is this stuff stiff?
or, just felt you roll out with a vinyl coating for moisture?
how is that going to correct subfloor flatness issues that are
extreme like the article says? or did I misread it?

http://www.floorbiz.com/BizNews/NPViewArticle.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2587

8/12/2008
4:22:33 PM 

so, what is the purpose of using it?

8/12/2008
11:50:17 PM 

so, now, you are saying, there will be two floating floors over each
other? think about it, picture it in your "work mind's eye" , do this
for a day and tell me what you think,,,

8/13/2008
3:16:19 PM 

sounds like it to me,
if they can convince dealers and contractors it does, well, job
security for me, that is all, just more job security,,

I thought it was an old "rule of thumb" kind of thing, never put a
floating on top of a floating????????

8/13/2008
10:56:37 PM 

Barry,
I am just asking a lot of questions, some with a point, some just to
get answers or reaction to see where it goes, would like to hear a
lot of different opinions,pro, con, and any wild stray thoughts that
may pop into anyones mind,,,,

maybe, the no no to floating over floating is parallel movement or
non parallel movement? or just any kind of movement? any ideas
or opinions?

8/13/2008
11:52:16 PM 

How is it two floating floors you float the underfloor and glue the Dura Ceramic to the under floor. No diffrent then a coupling system with real ceramic,Also have glued ceramic over felt in our show room and have not had any problems.

FD

8/14/2008
12:21:26 PM 

Ask questions that is how we all learn. The way I understand it is put on just like vinyl is but it has no pattern to it and is not the same mil thickness. I belive that moisture will come up thru it, so this should be no concern. I can not speak for all stores but our sales people have been trained to know what it should and should not be used for.
FD

8/14/2008
10:01:57 PM 

oh be quiet Roger,
you don't know nuthin from Stephen,,,yea, thats it, nuthin from
Stephen!
wanna fight? whup up on ya!
hey Roger, only 135 more miles in the morning,
slt

8/15/2008
11:12:05 PM 

nope,
you are the main target, Mr Stephen
ok,

have we taken this apart yet, and put it back together or have we
been polite? this will affect installers and consumers, so, let go!

if Stephen is to see this, a customer asking for it, what all can we
tell him? political feel good or what to do to do a good job?
what can we learn about it, which also helps, in the long run, the
manufacturer? the consumer or the installer? if we help one, we
help all

8/16/2008
4:38:17 PM 

Cat fight what Cat fight? If you have OSB or some other floor that is not aproved to go over normaly this can be used. this method can help with the cost of not having to tear out or add subfloor. Just a quick example how we train our sales staf, we had a customer come in wanting Dura Ceramic and they already have ceramic down the store down the road told them they could use under floor and go over it without leveler but our salesman came to me and I went out and talked to them and went over the guide lines from congoleum to give them the understanding the floor still needed to be in the flatness range as any floor,we got the job even when it cost them more money then the store down the road. But they did not have to tear out the old ceramic just make it flat.Also now if years down the road the lady of the house wanted to change the floor it can come up with little problem.

FD