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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
|  2/26/2008 7:37:50 PM 
Lew Wrote:
When the Peak-Buster Carpet Edge Sealing System is used, which includes the glue gun, glue sticks, black light and center grooved seaming iron, it will effective eliminate seam peaking. Demonstrations of this system were being given at Surfaces 2005 to show how effectively and easily this system works. When employed the seam will not pull open, peak or be compromised in any way. I think this is a great idea and invention because seam peaking has been a thorn in the side of the installation community for years and now it can be successfully prevented. This system is easy to use and there's no reason every installer and every retailer shouldn't invest in it.
The number of claims generated for fraying and damaged seams, delamination and seam peaking, which are pervasive installation related problems, can be virtually eliminated.
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Seam peaking creates "sidematch" complaints. Sidematch is one of those basic problems resulting in inspections..... 5% to 10% of my personal inspections is directly related to seam peaking...
I don't like the way this tool sounds at all.. I think it should be banned !!
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David Kern
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
| 2/26/2008 7:42:09 PM
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Lew Wrote:
When the Peak-Buster Carpet Edge Sealing System is used, which includes the glue gun, glue sticks, black light and center grooved seaming iron, it will effective eliminate seam peaking. Demonstrations of this system were being given at Surfaces 2005 to show how effectively and easily this system works. When employed the seam will not pull open, peak or be compromised in any way. I think this is a great idea and invention because seam peaking has been a thorn in the side of the installation community for years and now it can be successfully prevented. This system is easy to use and there's no reason every installer and every retailer shouldn't invest in it.
The number of claims generated for fraying and damaged seams, delamination and seam peaking, which are pervasive installation related problems, can be virtually eliminated.
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Seam peaking creates "sidematch" complaints. Sidematch is one of those basic problems resulting in inspections..... 5% to 10% of my personal inspections is directly related to seam peaking...
I don't like the way this tool sounds at all.. I think it should be banned !!
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I purposely left that part of the article out Ray, for fear it might have this affect on you!
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 8:29:56 PM
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I purposely left that part of the article out Ray, for fear it might have this affect on you!
I would ask, how many seams have you guys personally done with this method and how many has Lou done?
Many things sound good gentlemen, but then reality sets in, when you are the one having to do 4 things at once and how many black lines came about because of it Ray?
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 8:34:08 PM
Did any of you know that seams will not fit as tightly together and hence show the seam more than necessary?
Betcha they didn't tell ya'll 5that or why that happens. I'll bet they doidn't tell ya'll about the other weaknesses created by such, did they? No, because they don't know, and the proof is they have never spoken of the reasons why.
That was also being saved if I go to this meeting. Don't like going empty handed, anywhere if I can help it.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 2/26/2008 8:47:04 PM
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Did any of you know that seams will not fit as tightly together and hence show the seam more than necessary?
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The seams will not fit tightly?
Did you mean installers should not be pushing the seams too tight together to form a 'bump' at the seam ?? peaks like a tent at the very edge of the seam when they compress the seam to make it tight?
Yes.. I knew that one 
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 2/26/2008 9:18:30 PM
Peak-Buster dose it work. Yes and no it helps with seam peak on some carpets. The main problem with this is it takes a skilled installer to do it. The installers you go behind have no time and rushing with this tool you will find nap glued down in the seam. How about glue drying with a sharp point on it that hurts when step on. If the glue is not compatible with seam tape then it will release at the seam edge making popping sound and coming apart.
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:05:24 PM
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The seams will not fit tightly?
Did you mean installers should not be pushing the seams too tight together to form a 'bump' at the seam ?? peaks like a tent at the very edge of the seam when they compress the seam to make it tight?
Yes.. I knew that one
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If your words are true Ray, as I know they are, then the customer must see their seams more than if they didn't use the glue gun, to seal the seams.
How about the integrity of the seams themselves, as the installers juggle the flue gun, the iron, and the seam weight? Darn cord, how many times has the simple cord gotten in an installers way? How much time did it cost him, while holding that glue gun, moving the iron and the tray, while getting the right amount of glue in the exact place?
What can cause even more problems in the sealing process with the glue gun---AND THE SEAM SEALERS?
Unless a man is doing this everyday, there is no way he can make policy and practice, jive.
Never believe what you are told as a layman or inspector, you must experiencxe it for yourself or never judge, IF there are things worth more than money.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:08:46 PM
I'm not sure EXActly what that process entials...
I've got to learn more about it before I speak or Perry will jump all over me... he won't let me get away with anything !!
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:12:26 PM
Jim Peak-Buster is used first then seam.
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:20:11 PM
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I'm not sure EXActly what that process entials...
I've got to learn more about it before I speak or Perry will jump all over me... he won't let me get away with anything !!
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Do you think someone can tell you? If you have not been shown what I show you, then no one else knows or can explain all the needs and possibilities, due to juggling more than one very important thing at any given moment.
Just putting a seam together is a whole lot more than it sounds. I can prove it Ray. I can prove all that is problematic in the seaming process alone, as well as the sealing methods, the weight and all the timing.
Ask every installer at every site what thew most important things are in seaming and I'll bet not one installers will post the right answer. You can ask all in the unions and every installer in every country and probably not get the right answer, but if you give me your email address Ray, I will give it to you and to David, if you will agree to go looking and not reveal the answer I give you.
Deal or no deal?
I will say that I don't believe any of the installers will or can answer the question, anywhere in the world, but hey, I've been wrong many times before.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:25:37 PM
reveal the answer.../?
heck............ if its as good as you say it is,,, I'll sell it !! ..
Sure Jim, I'm game........ sounds like fun.
I did a little reading on this forum and online... thermoplastic is applied to the edges first, then the seam is made with tape... I think...
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:31:43 PM
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reveal the answer.../?
heck............ if its as good as you say it is,,, I'll sell it !! ..
Sure Jim, I'm game........ sounds like fun.
I did a little reading on this forum and online... thermoplastic is applied to the edges first, then the seam is made with tape... I think...
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From what I've heard from other installers on this point, is that they are sealing the edge as they are making the seam.
If men try to use just seam sealer on both sides and then make the seam, they take many chances.
What are the chances? If these men cvlaiming to seal all their seams are telling the truth, they will tell you things no others can, ask them what they are.
I'll send my thoughts to David and you can get the answers from him, but I am truisting ya'll Ray, because I choose to and David has shown me I can trust him. You're a marine Ray, I'll take your word, if you'll give it?
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:35:43 PM
Peak-Buster dose it work. Yes and no it helps with seam peak on some carpets. The main problem with this is it takes a skilled installer to do it. The installers you go behind have no time and rushing with this tool you will find nap glued down in the seam. How about glue drying with a sharp point on it that hurts when step on. If the glue is not compatible with seam tape then it will release at the seam edge making popping sound and coming apart.
Jim Peak-Buster is used first then seam.
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 10:51:20 PM
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Peak-Buster dose it work. Yes and no it helps with seam peak on some carpets. The main problem with this is it takes a skilled installer to do it. The installers you go behind have no time and rushing with this tool you will find nap glued down in the seam. How about glue drying with a sharp point on it that hurts when step on. If the glue is not compatible with seam tape then it will release at the seam edge making popping sound and coming apart.
Jim Peak-Buster is used first then seam.
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Your assesment is pretty darn good, but even the best will have to redo seams sometimes and even when not rushing. I have sent my answer to David and he is to give the answer to Ray and they will hopefully find others to ask the right questions of installers, to see what truly is out there and why. No games, just facts, for all to understand.
If the peak buster is used before making the seam and the installer properly applies the glue to both sides and then makes the seam, I believe he's gonna be making a huge mistake, but let's wait and see what installers claim.
If thew installer claims they work the peak buster and the seam together, let's see what they say is the weakness or weaknesses they see. We have to give all a fair chance.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 2/26/2008 11:04:37 PM
Jim I am a installer I have uesd it these our my findings.
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/26/2008 11:08:45 PM
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Jim I am a installer I have uesd it these our my findings.
As you and I have differed in the past,mother installers may not agree with us, so let's just give them the chance, as they may think of things we don't. Wouldn't you agree?
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/27/2008 7:16:07 AM
How many of you have installer carpet with a 22 pound tuft bind?
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/27/2008 7:23:24 AM
I'd sure like to test my seams against those of you that have other ways of doing things, just to have proof of what's what, exactly.
I could easily be wrong, but if installers don't test things like this, how will they know where to focus their attention?
I assure you, knowing where to focus your attention on seam work is all important.
It seems I'm going to need a new iron. I just bought a new one and never really paid that close attention to this before. I have to get a look.
If I go to this meeting, I need someone to bring a flat iron, please.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 2/27/2008 10:08:08 AM
Seems like most installers don't like using it.
But... what about this micro-wave seaming system?
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 2/27/2008 10:39:45 AM
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Seems like most installers don't like using it.
But... what about this micro-wave seaming system?
I said my peace about that a long time ago. I say to installers, study up on microwaves and make intelligent choices.
If unsure, since it could harm us, ask a doctor to put his reputation on the line, guaranteeing it will not hurt you.
Did this industry tell us that every single time we cut carpet, that those little pieces of the nap float in the air and that we would be breathing them for a lifetime?
Did this industry tell us that breathing the hot fumes from the seam tape could cause damage to the lungs?
As long as no one can hold them liable for such, you might get COPD LIKE MYSELF and 3 of my friends that died of such. Dickey Mccoy, Ray Garrity and well,--I'm not dead yet, but this COPD is closing-in. Maybe I have 5 years, but I will hope 10 and hold to that, mentally, physically and emotionally.
What might microwaves do to the men, especially over time?
I don't want to hurt business, but I think sometimes businesses don't consider enough.
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