| Author | Message | Hugh Scott 
Posts: 194
Since: 6/1/2008
|  6/28/2008 5:34:40 PM 
Ray, you are a true authority on many issues your knowledge base impresses me, certainly you have some back ground in install.Will you enlighten us?
What is your history that brought you doing inspections?
Linda, you speak about these matters with intensive knowledge as well, this tells me your background has been flooring related.
Would you mind expounding?
Roger?
I know Stephens back ground and it seems that his install experience has enhanced his critical thinking process
The same with Darian, I don't know his background but he has a keen eye for detail.
Selva's back ground speaks for itself. you are a true pro.I am sure you have more to add then we know?
Any others?
I am leery of mill inspector they seem very bias.
To me an inspectors cloak should be like the Golden Fleece, when you have conquered the trials then you achieve the final reward.
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| Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 6/28/2008 5:49:51 PM
View the C.V.'s at www.FloorReports.com, or www.FlooringExpert.com, and linda's at www.Statewideinspection.com and Selva's at www.bluegrass.org
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 6/28/2008 6:52:06 PM
that was cute,
and thank you for remembering I use to work as a supervisor in
such an institute. I was license to hand out meds, all kinds and
types, and I was in charge of two wings with 35 employees on
second shift when I was fresh out of college....but, you got the
wrong institution as always Ray,,,,it was the Midlands Center for
the Disabled.
but thanks for the good attempt and good thoughts for and about
me....most kind of you,
slt
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| Hugh Scott
Posts: 194
Since: 6/1/2008
| 6/28/2008 7:06:53 PM
Is that a joke, Selva's:http://www.bluegrass.org / I dont find it very funny. I am being serious here.
Linda's sight is well done but offers little back ground
You sight is the most informative, very good.
I see your install time was limited.
That would explain your impatience with installers.
I just tried to refer an inspection to a guy from Florida I cannot even remember his name but he did not want the job had a real uppity attitude.
Lets hear thier spec's from them?
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| Hugh Scott
Posts: 194
Since: 6/1/2008
| 6/28/2008 7:08:47 PM
Selva you posted while I was replying. I was just getting ready to post and I got a phone call. You snuck in on me.
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| Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 6/28/2008 8:54:16 PM
There are good installers and bad installers.
There are good inspectors and bad inspectors.
Cannot make a blanket statement or inclusive statements and be accurate or without prejudice.
My full time installation experience was limited, but I installed over about 20 years. I was installing as a Retailer and as a Sales Rep.,..... I did not like installing and did not like the way we were treated.
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 6/29/2008 1:30:14 AM
quote:
Selva you posted while I was replying. I was just
getting ready to post and I got a phone call. You snuck in on
me.
don't worry about it,,,,lets think good thoughts for and about
him,,,,
you know Ray, I do want to thank you,,,,one of my jobs after I
left that institution was to set up community homes for the
retarded,,,,I was fresh out of college thinking the floor biz was
behind me forever! anyway,,,,try making a living on what they
pay employees in those places! but, after I set up one, I stayed
on working with boys and girls who could learn to the 8th grade
level....the first months we open the center, two buildings, one
for girls, one for boys,,,we "played" a lot, went to parks (Ray, are
you going to see perversion in that also?), open air concerts,
most were free,,,,went to anything we could that was free and
fun,,,,the center open in May, and they did not have school until
Sept.....each day, was like I was a kid again myself! thanks for
reminding me Ray...
may you find peace and happiness in your life.
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| Jerry Thomas
Posts: 96
Since: 6/3/2008
| 6/29/2008 3:10:33 AM
"ICR Certified Ceramic Tile Inspectors"
Ray, are you now certified to do tile inspections?
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| Roger Gerber
Posts: 327
Since: 3/17/2008
| 6/29/2008 7:51:39 AM
Hugh, here is my background:
Union Installer 1969 1975
Commercial installation workroom 1975 1982
Store owner 1985-1988
Retail management 1982-1985
Partner in a Carpet cleaning franchise 1982-1985
Hardwood and vinyl installation 1988-2005
Inspection of both soft and hard surfaces 2005-present
Training and Certs
Flooring Inspection Training Services Certified Inspector #1521
Carpet, Laminate, Ceramic, Vinyl
Domco/Tarkett Certified Installer
ICR
Shaw
L & N Wood Certification
Mohawk Master Craftsman
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| Hugh Scott
Posts: 194
Since: 6/1/2008
| 6/30/2008 8:21:31 PM
Roger, you have certainly put your time in.
What is your opinion of unionized flooring labor?
Lets have it straight from the source.
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| Roger Gerber
Posts: 327
Since: 3/17/2008
| 6/30/2008 9:23:59 PM
You have to pay your dues, literally and physically. When I was there it was at a down time for the economy. Circumstances forced a move on my part in 1975, Where I moved to the union was not strong enough to control anything. There was one union shop and it was a "good ole boy network". Even with six years I could not get any steady work. I actually started a commercial workroom at the time and was a signatory contractor for a time. Got tired of fighting the network and went to subbing outside the union "scabbing", then I made some money. We did carry cards for a while to do "state contract" work and did floors in about 15 new HD's as a union contractor. One state job I did was 6700 yds of Armstrong Corlon in an insane asylum, what a trip that was.
Now the union INSTALL program is top notch in some states and so-so in others. I believe they are working to get it up to speed. I have worked with some excellent union guys and some hacks. I have a friend who is in the Cleveland local and he can honestly work two men into the ground. He is 43 and has had back surgery but still is a working fool.
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 6/30/2008 10:16:56 PM
lets see,
first, FCITS, carpet, then hard surface, spot dyeing, commercial,
woven, and what I call "at large" classes when I visited Tim Smith
and we went one on one for a day,,,I would just show up, and
we "played".
Mohawk University, carpet installation.
Armstrong vinyl installation,
Mannington, Mannington laminate.
NOFMA/NWFA installation school,
AFS, first convention, a commercial in 2002 in Dalton, hard
surface, David Hunt's woven,
NOMFA and NWFA schools or classes,
Howard Brickman's class about three times,,,,the first I help set
up and then, two more,,,
before all that, I worked odd installation jobs while in college
and for years afterward,,,,
for a while I was license to dispense control meds, and license to
work in a supervisor position for retarded, we called them
retarded back then, community services and facilities.
go way back, I worked in the melting department at Laurens
Glass Company,,,where they melted the chemicals to make the
class, mixed the "pre-mix" that would give some glass
containers it color,,,,
so, after college, I continued to do installations as a helper until
around 1990, in 1990 the dark time of my life, I tried, please
forgive me Lord, it was and is the shame of my life, I went to the
Bane-Clene school and tried to be a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, sorry, I
just can not make myself say it now,,,,the darkest time of my
life!!!  then started inspecting, I had been for years as
uncertified so those do not count,,,in 1992,,,and since then, my
soul was saved from the two dark years before then.
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10:18:56 PM
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| David Kern
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
| 6/30/2008 10:25:40 PM
Selva,
There's no shame in being a carpet cleaner. It paid the bills didn't it?
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10:27:31 PM
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| | Stephen Perrera
Posts: 823
Since: 5/27/2008
| 6/30/2008 10:58:15 PM
I wanted to be a carpet cleaner once...for about ten minutes. Lee, you never told me you were a cleaner. OMG!
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| Hugh Scott
Posts: 194
Since: 6/1/2008
| 6/30/2008 11:13:53 PM
I think the black mark will come off with an
acid rinse
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| Roger Gerber
Posts: 327
Since: 3/17/2008
| 6/30/2008 11:31:17 PM
Maybe we could start a twelve step program for Selva.
Repeat: My name is SLT and I am a carpet cl-----
cle------- cleaner! Or is that a rug sucker!!
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 7/1/2008 10:38:48 AM
well,
I have to admit, I was not much of a,a, a, a, umm, not much of
one of them...
I limited myself to my small town so my brothers back home in
Columbia would not find out about it....and nearly went broke
from no work,,,
but then, I tried hard not to let anyone know what I was
doing,,hard to make money if you will not let people know,,,,
from 1975 to 1990 I was in the blessed land, then, I was taken
to the dark place but I escaped!
yes, I did,,,can 15 years of working in the light be erased by two
years in the pits of Hades? it was those two years where I learned
the evil intentions of, of, of, of, of. of, umm, those people and
how little ethics they have...but then,well, never mind.
Stephen, old friend,,,,,will you ever forgive me?????
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10:40:37 AM
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 7/1/2008 4:25:28 PM
ummm, Stephen has not forgive me yet! ummmm, will buy you a
big drink in New Orleans for the big show.
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| Dan Wachtel
Posts: 72
Since: 3/17/2008
| 7/1/2008 6:16:53 PM
Don't sweat it Lee, some of my best friends are cleaners
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then started inspecting, I had been for years as 
