3/8/2008
6:53:11 PM 

Cut the edge too close to the nap. Actually, it will probably cut down on the tuft bind by 1/3, depending, but you can test what I'm telling you, by buying a small fish scale. It's usually accurate for our purposes to within 1/4 pound--probably closer, but just to be fair.

Now you can only use these scales on loop pile goods. So, do a little testing, se what you see and learn some new stuff.

By the way, don't believe anything most people say to you, not even me, test it for yourself and if you're too lazy to test for yourself, someone else will always control you.

Most inspectors don't know near enough--in my opinion, but hey, everyones got an opinion and we all know what that's worth, so test--test--test.

3/8/2008
9:13:41 PM 

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Tuft Bind Tests require a Chatillion Scale.
Tuft bind tests are performed on all TUFTED carpets and styles. Edge Raveling is not related to tuft bind but I do see Mr. Ryans point. It is important to cut the row without cutting the tuft.

Inspectors are constantly attending Industry Seminars and are more up to date on the advancements in the industry than any other segment within the flooring industry. Today's installers are simply too busy working to keep up and are not paid to attend Manufacturer Installation Training seminars......... So they don't go.

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3/9/2008
5:08:20 PM 

The FHA specifications are for tuft bind testing minimum's.

No matter if loop or cut pile.

Perry,
You can perform tuft bind tests on loop pile products, but you first must cut the loop and make it a "cut pile" before performing the test...

What point were you trying to make in your post?

3/9/2008
11:02:48 PM 

You should be posting with clarity, but I understand why you post the way you do...

3/10/2008
4:43:28 PM 

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So Ray, do you consider yourself a smart man or a stupid man?

Next question. If the industry told you that you would lose your license if you helped installers recognize ways to defend themselves, would youy help the installers or shut your mouth?

Next question. Where is the proof of your claim?

Next one. What is the purpose of this thread and by your claims, what are you telling installers?

I wonder what the judge ruling on that present case against cleaners as inspectors,have to say.

It's about time a judge understood such.

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3/10/2008
7:58:59 PM 

Since some of the retailers around the world might not be the brightest, I'll do a little cogitatin fer em.

First off, this thread was about teaching installers AND RETAILERS, how to do a FIELD, tuft bind test. You can test every single roll of berbers and commercial goods, so you know exactly what the installer is going to be up against and what your customers are going to be up against.

Now I told you how and then Ray claimed that ya'll had to cut the loop in half, but guess what, if'n ya cut the loop in half, how's a body suppossed ta do the test???

Ya knoooow, ya gotta give them inspectors credit, they sure must think all you retailers and maybe one or two installers aren't real bright. I have ta wonder if ya'll like bein called stupid and ugly. hahahahahahaha

I've done this test for many years and each time I do the test, either the tuft bind in near or on the 7 pound mark, or it falls pretty short.

Let's examine the test I do. First-off, I don't want to make a simple mistake by hooking the scales hook through more than just one loop, --because well, my name might start with a P if I did that. My customers pay me for being professional, so ya'll can rest assured that I'm gonna get that hook through just one loop.

Now consider, even if I hook that scales hook through a loop instead of just cutting the loop and having no way to test, Why I recon if the tuft is weak, it's gonna give before the 7 pounds of pull I've found in all the times I've tested, where the carpet was good and tested out.

However, even if I do the test on a whole loop and the whole loop pops-out around 6 pounds, then I know the tuft bind is not all that great. Still, 6 pounds is on the line and within reason, so I never went after anyone for a 6 pound pull.

When the pull gets below 5 and I see definative problems, it's time to say something. Now as an intermediary, I might tell the consumer that maybe the co. will give them some money back and take care of the problems,--IF, the customer will pay close attention and not do certain things and the carpet will look good and last just as long, but only if the consumer pays attention.

However, if the retailer does as some others and refuses to deal with the situation, by making appointments and putting them off time and again, I might step-in and start taking a more active role. Now I don't want to do this, but if you think you can just keep walking over customers, maybe a judge will think differently.

Be reasonable or not, it's up to you and just so you know, quite a few times I've gone behind your inspectors and gotten the carpet replaced--entirely for free, as some of you will know.

I write a letter for a lawyer, he has to be paid and so does yours, unless you want so much exposed in court.

Be reasonable.