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Roland Thompson 
Posts: 281 Since: 2/27/2008
|  3/2/2008 12:13:33 AM  Inspector's can we?
Do you as an inspector let the installer come to the job site when you are doing the inspection? I welcome them to be there. You also can not stop them if they realy want to be there. I had a fellow friend and installer that did a job and the customer did not like the seam. It was a low frofile pattern cut and loop. He could not be there the day of inspection so he ask if I could go for him. I did and the inspector got there and the first thing he did is take his car keys and started to dig at the seam, I ask him what are you doing and he said it looks like he has an over lap in the seam, I had already looked at it before he got there and told him to look at it again, He did and said I know it is the seam but I can not make out why it has a high row look. I told him that it was not an over lap but the middle of the seam was raised a little and I knew the installer had used a hot glue to seal the seam, he looked at me and said how can you tell I told him go to the wall open up the seam with a pair of niddle nose and you can see the glue on the edge. He said it still is a installtion failure. I told him hold on and I will be right back, went out got me Sinch and reheated the seam and put the seamerdown on it and it all layed flat and you could not even see the seam. He said what is that and how did you know it would work? I told him when I was checking for the sealer I also looked at the tape and knew what he had used also I saw hot glue on the backing and new he had gotten to much and then just guessed that he used a hight temp. glue stick that just needed a little more heat to melt it. Had the customer come into the room and she said man where did the seam go. Question why did the inspector not know of the tools the installer are using to do the jobs? He could have done damage to the seam by using his key if I was not there to stop him. After he damaged the seam then it all would have been blamed on the installer when it was fixed in just 15 min.
FD
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/2/2008 9:44:44 AM 
I knew the installer had used a hot glue to seal the seam, he looked at me and said how can you tell I told him go to the wall open up the seam with a pair of niddle nose and you can see the glue on the edge. He said it still is a installtion failure. I told him hold on and I will be right back, went out got me Sinch and reheated the seam and put the seamerdown on it and it all layed flat and you could not even see the seam. He said what is that and how did you know it would work? I told him when I was checking for the sealer I also looked at the tape and knew what he had used also I saw hot glue on the backing and new he had gotten to much and then just guessed that he used a hight temp. glue stick that just needed a little more heat to melt it.
If he used a peak-Buster why did it peak? If this is true and the seam peaked means he power stretched it. When you heated the seam it would have pulled apart. You must have a power stretcher to hold it in place. If this seam tape can only be heated twice. How did you know he didn't have any trouble spots and reheated and fixed it ? Would that not weaken the seam? ( Had the customer come into the room and she said man where did the seam go. Question why did the inspector not know of the tools the installer are using to do the jobs? He could have done damage to the seam by using his key if I was not there to stop him. After he damaged the seam then it all would have been blamed on the installer when it was fixed in just 15 min )
2 hour or better to fix this.
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/2/2008 10:03:23 AM 
Why don't you call the retailer. I'm sure they would pay for you to show him how to fix this. Then everyone is happy.
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David Kern 
Posts: 518 Since: 2/20/2008
|  3/2/2008 10:32:32 AM  Invaluable role of Inspectors
Here's my take:
Customer complains, and all involved agree that something looks wrong with the job (carpet or otherwise).
At this point, those with a financial interest (dealer/installer, builder/installer, etc.) naturally want to avoid the costs of repairing/replacing.
A certified Inspector is called to render judgement and mediate the two sides at issue. His decision is either 'It's a defect in material', 'It's an installation issue', 'It's neglect on the customers part', or 'There is no issue'. If something can be done to 'fix' the problem, this is also explained.
In the above scenario posted by Flooring Doctor, an Inspector could have rendered a decision that would have cost the installer (least likely to afford it) time and money.
By keeping up with technology and advancements in the industry, Flooring Doctor was able to remedy the situation in just 15 minutes.
Here's the moral to this story:
Certification and Experience are two separate things. Anyone desiring to become certified as an inspector, must be committed to staying in the loop regarding advances in methods and technology in our industry.
As this situation brought to light quite nicely, sometimes a 'simple fix' is all that's needed. All parties involved were no doubt happy with the outcome, and with little fanfare, Flooring Doctor rode off into the sunset.
There is a lesson for us all!
Last Edited 3/2/2008 10:35:04 AM
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/2/2008 11:05:30 AM 
Here's my take:
(Customer complains, and all involved agree that something looks wrong with the job (carpeInvaluable role of nspectors t or otherwise). At this point, those with a financial interest (dealer/installer, builder/installer, manufactures.) naturally want to avoid the costs of repairing/replacing. )
If you don't know what will happen with the carpet you are working with you should not touch it.
(A certified Inspector is called to render judgement and mediate the two sides at issue. His decision is either 'It's a defect in material', 'It's an installation issue)
If you can't fix it then you shouldn't be judging.
(In the above scenario posted by Flooring Doctor, an Inspector could have rendered a decision that would have cost the installer (least likely to afford it) time and money. By keeping up with technology and advancements in the industry, Flooring Doctor was able to remedy the situation in just 15 minutes.)
2 hour to fix. It takes more time when all the right tools are used.
Here's the moral to this story:
(Certification and Experience are two separate things. Anyone desiring to become certified as an inspector, must be committed to staying in the loop regarding advances in methods and technology in our industry.)
And learn how to install.
(As this situation brought to light quite nicely, sometimes a 'simple fix' is all that's needed. All parties involved were no doubt happy with the outcome, and with little fanfare, Flooring Doctor rode off into the sunset.)
There is a lesson for us all!
If you didn't fix it who pays?
Last Edited 3/2/2008 6:33:19 PM
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David Kern 
Posts: 518 Since: 2/20/2008
|  3/2/2008 11:08:14 AM 
In the above scenario posted by Flooring Doctor, an Inspector could have rendered a decision that would have cost the installer (least likely to afford it) time and money.
That answer was in my post tax man.
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/2/2008 11:17:55 AM 
I'm sorry I meant to say if this dose not work who pays?
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/2/2008 6:56:00 PM 
The seamerdown is used to suck hot glue up in to the backing. If the backing is stopping the glue from coming up to the fibers. What is stopping hot seam sealer glue from coming up to the fibers?
IF the Sinch tape is low profile tape And SDN helps with seam peak. How did this happen in the first place?
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  3/2/2008 8:33:30 PM 
There is no such thing as low profile seam tape. The person that coined that,did so for the sake of money, plain and simple. There is no such thing.
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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411 Since: 2/18/2008
|  3/2/2008 8:50:48 PM 
quote: Do you as an inspector let the installer come to the job site when you are doing the inspection? I welcome them to be there. You also can not stop them if they realy want to be there. I had a fellow friend and installer that did a job and the customer did not like the seam. It was a low frofile pattern cut and loop. He could not be there the day of inspection so he ask if I could go for him. I did and the inspector got there and the first thing he did is take his car keys and started to dig at the seam, I ask him what are you doing and he said it looks like he has an over lap in the seam, I had already looked at it before he got there and told him to look at it again, He did and said I know it is the seam but I can not make out why it has a high row look. I told him that it was not an over lap but the middle of the seam was raised a little and I knew the installer had used a hot glue to seal the seam, he looked at me and said how can you tell I told him go to the wall open up the seam with a pair of niddle nose and you can see the glue on the edge. He said it still is a installtion failure. I told him hold on and I will be right back, went out got me Sinch and reheated the seam and put the seamerdown on it and it all layed flat and you could not even see the seam. He said what is that and how did you know it would work? I told him when I was checking for the sealer I also looked at the tape and knew what he had used also I saw hot glue on the backing and new he had gotten to much and then just guessed that he used a hight temp. glue stick that just needed a little more heat to melt it. Had the customer come into the room and she said man where did the seam go. Question why did the inspector not know of the tools the installer are using to do the jobs? He could have done damage to the seam by using his key if I was not there to stop him. After he damaged the seam then it all would have been blamed on the installer when it was fixed in just 15 min.
FD
I don't care who is onsite upon my inspection. I say nothing, so it does not matter who is there to watch. I don't even talk when i'm hired by the consumer. I now state "must alalyze data, and prepare report based on data collected"... saying nothing is better than putting your foot in your mouth and coming to a conclusion before analyzing all data..
Talking on site results in debate and arguments...
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Last Edited 3/2/2008 8:52:14 PM
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/4/2008 11:25:30 PM 
All of these tools are suppose to stop help with seam peak and it still happen.
Sinch iron with low profile.
Seamerdown gets seam flat.
Peak-Buster hot glue.
And it still peak wow.
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  3/4/2008 11:35:45 PM 
quote: All of these tools are suppose to stop help with seam peak and it still happen.
Sinch iron with low profile.
Seamerdown gets seam flat.
Peak-Buster hot glue.
And it still peak wow.
You can do a great--flat seam, if you know how and you don't need even one of those things.
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/4/2008 11:41:47 PM 
I agree
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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411 Since: 2/18/2008
|  3/7/2008 9:06:33 PM 
Use the CFI way, and the seams won't peak..
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  3/7/2008 9:15:04 PM 
quote: Use the CFI way, and the seams won't peak..
If a man does one thing right, but refuses to do other things correctly, no matter what, all the men will know and No amount of Humpty Dumptys men can put him back together again.
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/7/2008 9:46:16 PM 
quote: If a man does one thing right, but refuses to do other things correctly, no matter what, all the men will know and No amount of Humpty Dumptys men can put him back together again.
I seen a video where Jim Walker put latex seam sealer on a seam. Rubbed the latex down seam edges. Then rubbed his hands together smearing all over them. Then he crawled across the carpet with his hands faced open on carpet. And you wont us to do it this way? Why so you can say that installer put latex all over carpet.
No thanks I'll take my chances on my on.
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  3/7/2008 9:57:05 PM 
quote: I seen a video where Jim Walker put latex seam sealer on a seam. Rubbed the latex down seam edges. Then rubbed his hands together smearing all over them. Then he crawled across the carpet with his hands faced open on carpet. And you wont us to do it this way? Why so you can say that installer put latex all over carpet.
No thanks I'll take my chances on my on.
Tax Man, that is just a cheap parlor trick he was using. True laytex dries very quickly and even if it rubs off on something, it won't stick, it will just dry to a rubbery state and as far as it being on his hands, all he had to do was to rub his hands together without much force and the laytex would come right off. ONLY TRUE LAYTEX performs this way.
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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411 Since: 2/18/2008
|  3/7/2008 10:19:53 PM  Yup...
Rubbing hands together took care of that latex. Once dry it sticks not.. 
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/7/2008 10:58:08 PM 
Fast-lock is true latex.
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  3/7/2008 11:01:13 PM 
quote: Fast-lock is true latex.
Does the label say LAYTEX ?
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