2/21/2008
7:22:19 PM 

Re: Blue Ridge Carpet Installation Seams
Posted By James Oliver on 2/21/2008 at 6:53 PM
Bow, Skew and pattern run off are probably correctable by you, the color difference can be corrected also. Give us some numbers!

JD

Jim Ryan says,--did you even see the picture? Tell us, how does one go about correcting the color in a pattern matched piece of carpet, like that?

Do you paint every little dot and line with all the different colors? Seriously, how does one correct the color in a pattern match like that?

Bow skew and pattern run-off are probably correctable??? Is that with a hook? How much does he have to waste? How much time does he have to spend correcting the mills mistakes and should he spend so much time on the phone asking for more money? Should he have been shown the product the day it came in and should the warehouse-man have caught the trouble, or the salesman or the retailer?

You sure ain't an installer.

2/21/2008
7:36:07 PM 

Re: Blue Ridge Carpet Installation Seams
Posted By anthony marrero on 2/21/2008 at 7:27 PM
For three bucks a yard for install including glue however it rolls out should be how it goes in.



Jim Ryan says,--I would be charging 5 dollars at a minimum for direct glue down, with me paying for the glue and from seeing that pattern match, 7.00 a yard or not touch it, leave it to the amatures.

2/21/2008
7:56:36 PM 

ms complains of so little time, saying the shots are 90' long and complaining he has but 10 minutes to work with it.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU??

It tells me, he is using just himself and one helper to glue this down and move it into place. BAD IDEA.

Stephen mentions wertting the floor and of course, ms complains, as if it's too much trouble, while every tiny detail counts on the floor.

Another thing, is ms cutting his seams wet or dry?

Does he dry his seams--if you know what I mean?

ms should have addressed all these factors before he put glue to the floor and he could have.

Obviously he saw what the seams were going to look like, he said so.

It is on the installer, not the shop, unless the shop wants to pay all the extras or take all the risks and pay him for any extra time.

Can the shop pay the installer for his loss of integrity, self esteem and reputation?? Does it show that the shop cares in this instance?

Does it show that the installer cared enough in this instance??

No, the installer always does what the shop has taught him, including ruining his own reputation--for the sake of expediency and as a loss to the customer.

2/22/2008
4:17:44 AM 

Even when we consider and observe every tiny detail, we may still not be able to make the job turn-out as good as we want, but it is with that kind of observance for every single job, do we become that good, not only in our actions--haha--at least on the job, but that our thinking becomes that acute--FOR THE SAKE OF THE JOB and our REPUTATIONS.

For some reason I've never had the need to wet the cement, because it was so dry, however, if you believe the cement is that dry and you don't get more help--and enough more money to cover for the loss or you discuss the wetting of the concrete, the extra time and sprayers, you first-off, won't learn how the spraying of the concrete will react--meaning there is something new to learn there--that you can tell others about or possibly make a huge mistake and the glue dry on you too quickly and you get even one wrinkle in the material.

A slight wrinkle from a fold-back--IE: airplaining long shots--which two man teams must do, can create a very big problem in such a case.

2/23/2008
6:46:59 PM 

Because most installers have a hard time just talking to the subjects. Like you, many of them come here, but most installers have a hard time explaining things in detail and proving it.

If I speak here, they don't feel like they have to answer. If I were on those boards, it might not be the best thing for all concerned.

Jim Walker is afraid to debate me. Surely the installers seem to feel inferior to him, but I believe Walker is very ignorant and if he'd like to prove otherwise, I'm right here.

There's no shame in being ignorant, but what the heck, as long as he has other people doing his dirty work, so he won't have to answer, he won't.

2/23/2008
10:21:08 PM 

An industry doesn't have to have its smartest member lead it, but then the industry does need someone that won't say things that are not true and fully understood and a leader will understand when something is right or wrong, if not right away, then with time and a little input from all.

None of the so called leaders in this industry will stand to be challenged and because of such, they become lazy, they lose their edge--if they ever had it and they bring all down with them.

Is it true that to be one of the best athletes in the world this year, a man or woman must train constantly, mentally, physically and emotionally, all year long, right up to the time of such trials AND, IF they want to be the best or one of the best next year, don't they have to compete against others all the next year and train as hard and as long as they can, to retain that title?

Maybe installers should have a say in who should lead them and that the mills do not sit on the board of CFI and CRI and most all things in our trade. Make men prove, physically, mentally and emotionally, they are the best, to lead all the installers.

Walker got a pass and the mills set him up and paid for all he did. He did not have to earn anything, nor will he defend anything. All the men know that, even if they don't say it.

Almost every guy on these boards fights with each other, because nothing is proven and nothing is settled.

2/23/2008
10:35:41 PM 

Hello, I hope this finds you all doing well. Walker also says,--When working with several rolls with the same dye lot; make a drop room cut off the outside and one off the inside of each roll and save the rest for common areas or large rooms. This is because the pattern will be longer on the outside of the roll and shorter on the inside of each roll.

Consider what he wrote above and ask yourselves what part of this do installers challenge and what can they offer in reference to the above statement--not only for installers to teach them, but to show the industry just how much this could hurt some jobs and the installers.

Anybody?

2/24/2008
12:44:49 AM 

You could even ask James Oliver if the stuff he put on that page was stuff he copied and pasted from Walker or it was his own, right out in the open on that web site Perry, but I know you won't do it and even if you do Oliver won't answer if it is Walkers words, because if he does and they are in Walkers book, Oliver will prove he is a liar against all installers.

2/24/2008
8:44:05 AM 

Since no one else cares to know all the things that are wrong in what Oliver physically read from a book and typed onto the board, we can leave the rest alone. No one said you had to learn anything and since no one is asking questions or is willing to talk it out, why do you guys even come to these boards?