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| | | Author | Message | David Kern 
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
|  7/14/2008 10:00:41 PM 
No one would argue the point that there are noble and selfless organizations that day in and day out play an important role in shaping and maybe even identifying our industry.
Because of their contributions, some have suggested it some form of blasphemy to even remotely criticize such revered and valued institutions.
The truth is however, that good and constructive criticism has, more than not, resulted in necessary changes being made that have benefitted not only those organizations and associations, but it's members as well.
No one should be above critique.
Without critics, how would one reasonably know if the needs of those they serve are being met?
Without critics, how would one know his/her own value in the eyes of others?
Indeed, without critics, how would we continue as an industry to grow and make further progress?
FloorBiz will continue to allow views and opinions to be addressed (critical or not)- as long as these are conveyed in a professional manner.
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| Barry Carlton
Posts: 162
Since: 6/30/2008
| 7/14/2008 10:23:39 PM
good post
Last Edited 7/14/2008
10:55:47 PM
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| Roger Gerber
Posts: 327
Since: 3/17/2008
| 7/14/2008 10:31:27 PM
Well said, David.
Kindly given constructive criticism has been one of the most beneficial aspects of mans life since the beginning. The Greatest Man who ever lived, Jesus frequently gave counsel, criticism if you will to all who would listen to him.
If no one had critiqued any of us we would never have learned. Many great public speakers welcome criticism from their close friends, it helps them to become better.
Kudos to the Administration!!
Last Edited 7/14/2008
10:32:28 PM
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| Barry Carlton
Posts: 162
Since: 6/30/2008
| 7/14/2008 10:36:10 PM
very eloquent Roger
b
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10:57:02 PM
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| Rusty Baker
Posts: 111
Since: 6/7/2008
| 7/14/2008 10:45:15 PM
Unfortunately, there are some people in this industry that it seems like noone can criticize. I was almost run off one board for criticizing an industry "leader".
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| Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 7/14/2008 11:28:47 PM
Well said David,
We all learn from our mistakes but if we don’t know we are making them how can we change our ways? All the different organizations need men and women on there team. The more the better right, so why not listen to what your members wants and needs are? After all it is all about team work right?
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| Stephen Perrera
Posts: 823
Since: 5/27/2008
| 7/15/2008 12:05:58 AM
Great topic David.
I have read many a famous quote about criticism, the one I am most fond of is from David Brinkly;
A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her.
Malcom X said something along those lines as well.
Posting stuff on websites sets yourself up for criticism, if you can't take it stay in bed.
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 7/15/2008 12:16:16 AM
I guess,
this might be about us teasing the cleaners Stephen,,,,
some of us have been battling certain attitudes and perceptions
about installers for years,,,,
I wrote about it in an article,
I have heard first hand from them what they think about
installers' skill and knowledge,,, but, just look at this site to see
and read the skill and high level of knowledge,,,,
so, I will agree to be "diplomatic" but, I have to be
upfront,,,,when "those" inspectors tell me first hand knowledge
about installation and skill are a myth and joke, and that
installers are
dumb/stupid and anybody can read the instructions for all the
"installation experience needed" to look at a man's work who has
been installing for a lifetime,,,,I tend to get really "urinated
off"...but, I will be diplomatic,,,, but, when "one of them"
lectures me for 45 minutes about his superior training about
wood, then, tells me that the wood mill made the solid wood ,
3"X
3/4" bad when they "chopped it up into those little pieces and
into sawdust" before they pressed it together to make the soilid
3" X 3/4" nail down boards,,,,never mind. 
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| Barry Carlton
Posts: 162
Since: 6/30/2008
| 7/15/2008 12:17:45 AM
Tried to post twice before. Withdrew both.
I cannot find a difinition of 'critic', 'criticize', or 'criticism' that has a positive conitation.
Frankly "constructive criticism" is an oxy-moron.
None of us should want to be critics, or critical of others.
....counselors, teachers, guides, shepherds, mentors, even just inquisitive. These are all positive ways to teach and/or question.
Criticizing will always carry a negative conitation that none of us want to convey.
b
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| David Kern
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
| 7/15/2008 9:09:19 AM
Barry,
As in everything, we have to exercise some degree of moderation when offering criticism. I've included some definitions of the word below to illustrate this point:
The art, skill, or profession of making discriminating judgements and evaluations.
Merely to evaluate without necessarily finding fault, but usually it does imply detailed expression of disapproval.
To analyze and evaluate the merits and/or faults of others.
As can be seen, criticism in some shape or form, is an intregal part of life itself. Yes, it can be used in a hurtful and negative way like anything else. However, used skillfully and properly, it can provide the basis for needed change and correction.
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