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Ray Darrah Send User a Message
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5/20/2008
11:08:40 PM 
Any comments?

This is an article, although short, writen for FLoorTekTalk.


Maintaining Building Acclimation and the Scam on Consumers of Wood Flooring

Building and material acclimation has become a major issue in Wood and Timber Flooring. Inferior wood flooring products imported from China, Brazil, Argentina and Indonesia have found the need to “Acclimate the home to the needs of the wood flooring” and requiring Relative Humidity Levels not sustainable to maintain the Manufacturer’s Warranty.

There is a complete science to this topic but because we are trying to help consumers recognize the problem, we’ll keep the article simple and to the point. Our purpose is to give consumers enough information to know when they are being scammed.

Customarily and historically Hardwood Flooring was placed inside an already acclimated building for purpose of acclimating the wood to the home environment. A perfectly acclimated wood floor would be acclimated to the “Average” Relative Humidity conditions of the home. For Example: Summers find the average Relative Humidity in Orlando Florida to be 80% and winter time at 40%. This means we want to acclimate the wood to the relative humidity of 60%.
In the Desert of Arizona and New Mexico have low Relative Humidity of 10% and highs of 35% leaving the average at about 22%.
In areas of cold winters and hot, humid, summers, the range of Relative Humidity may be 10% in the winter to 70% in the Summer leaving the average at 40% relative humidity.

So why this long explanation about Relative Humidity and Acclimation? Many importers are requiring the Home to be acclimated and stable and not go below 30% (some instructions found require 35% Relative Humidity), and not to rise above 50% (some we‘ve found with a maximum of 55%). In other words, should your home not maintain these parameters of required relative humidity within the home, you have NO WARRANTY. That is the scam and the Manufacturer/Importers way out of paying for product failures leaving customers with thousands of dollars in financial losses. No home in the United States or Canada can maintain interior conditions, year round, to meet the conditions required of these Manufacturers.


True Flooring Professionals sell and install quality products and acclimate the wood flooring to the Ambient Conditions of the home to minimize gapping in the low relative humidity cycles and edge raise in the high cycles all homes endure. The purpose of acclimating wood is to minimize gaping and edge raise only, yet theseScammer type importers and retailers are using the 30% to 50% Relative Humidity Rule to walk away from product failures such as splitting, delamination cupping and more.

What do you do when you find your wood flooring splitting, raising on the edges or splintering? Your first, and best choice, is to hire a trained and Certified Inspector which can be found at www.FloorReports.com or hire a National Flooring Inspection Service should you not feel comfortable choosing the inspector at www.QuestInspect.com.

Before you purchase Wood Flooring, read the Maintenance and Building Requirements as well as the Installation Standards.



Ray Darrah Send User a Message
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5/22/2008
9:44:54 PM 

darn..


nobody read this article?

Rats,,,, trying to educate consumers and retailers to be on the "look-out" for this new wood floor "run for the hills" non-warranty they are now providing.

one Association is teaching: 30% rh to 50% rh must be maintained or warranty no good. 30% to 50% not maintained the engineered wood will delaminate, split and edge raise,,,, and it is your house's fault, not the product..


David Kern Send User a Message
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5/26/2008
5:15:27 PM 
Humidity issues...

This problem is further compounded by the fact that most A/C and Heat units are not 'sized' properly for the home.

We had a new unit installed in our home for instance that was oversized. This meant that our home cooled much too quickly for the humidity to be drawn out of it during a running cycle.

We complained to the company that our humidity was consistently in the 60's when running the A/C. They came and replaced the fan so it would run for longer periods per cycle and this took care of the problem. Our humidity stays consistently in the 40-50's range now during the hot Florida summers.

The point is, do most homeowners understand the nature of humidity? In the case of A/C and heat units, bigger is not necessarily better.


Ray Darrah Send User a Message
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5/26/2008
10:27:35 PM 

good point David.
Did your floors fall apart during this period of time?


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5/26/2008
10:37:43 PM 
Top-of-the-line laminate...

Fortunately we had a high-end laminate installed. It actually has a moisture guarantee.

Before I purchased it, I put a sample in a bucket of water (manufacturer recommended this) overnight and it came out with absolutely no damage whatsoever.


Selva Lee Tucker Send User a Message
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5/26/2008
10:41:17 PM 

you wrote that?
well, lets see, AC and houses, and wood or laminate floors,
there are several issues that concerns the two,,,
I will keep it simple so I don't see it come back later in one of Rays
or Roland's articles! Smile
our building codes and construction practices date to pre AC
days,,,,
and for these answers, I suggest contacting a wood structure
engineer who specializes in these fields.


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5/27/2008
6:48:38 AM 

and thus the reason for "acclimating" a home with air or heat on prior to installation of flooring materials.


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5/27/2008
11:14:02 AM 

nope, you can ask this August in Memphis,,,,otherwise, after my
latest "event" happen to me, and I watched it ruined, I politely
declined since I Know an article is being written along these lines.
But, I will give you a hint, you must tie in more into a whole house
matrix.


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5/27/2008
1:40:10 PM 

I agree there is more then the heat and air being on that needs to be looked at before installing the wood. Just one issue I have seen is painters having all the doors open all day the day before and after the flooring went in.

Selva I would never take anything of your's or anyone else and put my name on it,never have nor never will.
Big Smile
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5/27/2008
2:04:01 PM 

Why shouldn't a manufacture protect its product with a warranty designed and written to keep it's product safe from excessive or inadequite mositure levels?

(came here looking for a job, all I found were plumbing jobs) Smile



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5/27/2008
5:05:15 PM 

Just teasing Roland,,,more Ray than you but David says I can't pick
on Ray so I had to include you to keep out of trouble!
Smile
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5/27/2008
7:05:45 PM 

Thats ok I do my share of picking at times and if you are picking on me your leaving some one slae alone.

FD


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5/27/2008
8:18:58 PM 

Roland,
enjoyed your presentation at the convention,,,,I tried to get up to
the front to meet you, but, I got sidetracked by a few people
picking on me!
then, the next guy, later that day, was the dude from VA.
TEch,,,got real interesting for me because I was sitting beside a
Ph.D wood scientist/engineer....so, I never did get a chance to
meet you, but, I have enjoyed your articles over they years,

so, sorry, but when I want to tweak Ray and David says we can't
do our favorite thing, which is argue, is it ok with you if you I
say ray/roland when I really just mean, ray??? hey guys, I am just
playing and having fun,,,will behave.


Ray Darrah Send User a Message
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5/28/2008
7:10:39 PM 

Selva,
You did not understand my post.
It said to Acclimate the HOME prior to installation, not the material.

The material may already be at the wood moisture content meeting the homes environment and I believe that is what you were trying to point out. Wood does not need to acclimate; it needs to have the wood moisture content meeting the homes enviroment... which may require material acclimation...

another way of saying the same thing i suppose.


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5/29/2008
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5/27/2008 2:04:01 PM

Why shouldn't a manufacture protect its product with a warranty designed and written to keep it's product safe from excessive or inadequite mositure levels?

(came here looking for a job, all I found were plumbing jobs)



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5/29/2008
9:56:10 AM 

Define the moisture levels you descibe. Excessive or inadequate moisture.

What exactly is moisture in your argument?


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5/29/2008
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"Define the moisture levels you descibe. Excessive or inadequate moisture.

What exactly is moisture in your argument?"

The same one your using.


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5/29/2008
6:11:45 PM 

1. condensed or diffused liquid, esp. water: moisture in the air.
2. a small quantity of liquid, esp. water; enough liquid to moisten.


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Diffuse wetness that can be felt as vapor in the atmosphere or condensed liquid on the surfaces of objects; dampness.
The state or quality of being damp.


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5/30/2008
12:57:08 AM 

Arn't you the guy who said there is condensed water in wood vessels?


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5/30/2008
1:57:49 AM 
search enabled

Stephen,
search engines love articles,

how do you acclimate a house to meet manufacturers' rh/temp
standards for emc when the house will equalize with?

hey, you asked for critique.


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