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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
|  3/9/2008 1:41:11 PM 
There good and bad retail store. The big retail store will run all over an installer if he lets him. Why is this? They do not know some times because owner did the right thing and hired a workroom to handle this part. The work tears there store apart from the inside out. Take from installers and sells people. Puts customers in there place. Is this the workroom fault no.
Then there's the small custom store. Sometime for the sells people and sometime for Installer. Fighting hard to make it with no brakes from no one. So is it there fault no.
The way I see it. The manufacture is responsible. They don't know the cost of installation. They don't know the cost of sells people. They don't know the cost of retail. They souldn't give shuch a low suggesting labor/retail pricing. This industry need help all of it. Every one herts when knowone say nothing.
When say everyone in this industy tool manufacture losse to.
So wake up and stand together as a hole. If one loses we all loses.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 3:59:21 PM
I'm sorry we're all responsile. If we don't tell the manufacture they wont know. Now you know, what are going to do about it. Write the manufacture for a change and tell them how you feel about this.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 3/9/2008 5:06:19 PM
Manufacturers are not responsible for labor.. period......
Installers are responsible for installers. If you don't like the way you are treated go find another job or another retailer to work for. Good installers have no problem finding work.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 5:19:18 PM
What is this all Manufacturers do this what now. http://www.armstrong.com/rtladmin/content/files/37867.pdf
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 3/9/2008 5:37:46 PM
They are quoting a Colorado Contractor to give an example of labor and material savings by using a floating floor...
Floating compared to glueing direct..... Good example and it does save to go to a floating floor.
My concern would be why they leave out FloorPrep?? Floating Long strips require sub-floor flatness that is almost not achievable unless using a self-leveling-cement.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 5:49:46 PM
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Manufacturers are not responsible for labor.. period......
Installers are responsible for installers. If you don't like the way you are treated go find another job or another retailer to work for. Good installers have no problem finding work.
the revise it ask the fci guys
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 6:06:43 PM
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David Kern
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
| 3/9/2008 6:23:48 PM
Having had 2 retail stores and doing $1,200,000.00 a year in sales, I can assure you tax man that in hard economic times, I suffered. I had a family to support, personal bills to pay and guess what... I always payed myself last.
There were times I couldn't take a pay check because the money just wasn't there. I scrambled to keep my installers busy because I felt an obligation to each one.
I only wish I had someone looking after me like I was looking after my installers.
Granted, there are bad retailers (that only think of themselves) just like there are bad installers (who have little or no pride). Don't make the mistake of lumping all of us in the same basket.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 7:06:44 PM
Show me where I down a retailer?
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David Kern
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
| 3/9/2008 7:17:53 PM
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Show me where I down a retailer?
Perhaps I misunderstood you tax man. Your statement that retailers don't end up like this... what did you mean?
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 7:25:08 PM
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David Kern
Posts: 518
Since: 2/20/2008
| 3/9/2008 7:27:13 PM
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Manufacturers are not responsible for labor.. period......
Installers are responsible for installers. If you don't like the way you are treated go find another job or another retailer to work for. Good installers have no problem finding work
Retailers don't end up like this the time is now.
Ray attack and I bit back.
Accept my apology.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 7:32:56 PM
I thought Ray attack me. I apology.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 3/9/2008 10:39:23 PM
tax man,,
I strongly believe that there is too much finger pointing in this industry.
Installers blaming Retailers and Manufacturers for their problems and Retail Salesman blaming the store owner or Manufacturers for slow sales.... And inspectors blaming .. .and so on and so forth.
In all situations, we must look at ourselves first. Whatever we choose to do for a living we must constantly improve ourselves and our knowledge of the industry. Everything in this industry changes from week to week, month to month....
We can only blame ourselves if we fail.
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/9/2008 11:08:04 PM
I still install so what happen to you.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 3/10/2008 2:16:48 PM
One can only exploit the exploitable.
I no longer know the laws, but I was a Licensed Contractor in California and had a retail business. The laws out there required we convert the yardage fees to hourly, making all Subs employees and do withholding ect....
Unless they had a Contractors license and provided our store with Insurance and Workman's Comp. certificates.
Right to work states don't work the same as "Contractor License" states... and california has a license for everything..
Inspectors are required to have C-15, flooring contractors license as only "Peers" can judge installers.
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