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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
|  3/7/2008 9:28:01 PM 
What was the industry standard for pad, from say 1971, to about 1998 or 1999?
How did the industry finally come to a standard for the pad Ray or should I say why did they come to todays standard for padding?
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 3/7/2008 9:37:38 PM
Maybe you didn't know Ray, but I am the reason pad has a standard today.
Maybe you also didn't know Ray, but back in 1971, at least to about 78, the shop samples had tuft bind standards, as well as face weights.
The industry quit teaching consumers Ray. Now it's just tell the consumer, oh doesn't that piece of carpet have a nice feel. 
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 3/7/2008 9:52:33 PM
Until 98 or 99, the industry sold padding as thick as one inch high.
I addressed what I saw as ignorance in our industry. I told everyone that the tackstrip with pin height included, is just a tad over 7/16ths of an inch high. I asked the industry why it was selling padding any thicker than ---at the very most, one half inch high.
The industry brought about pad standards, after I said what I did, but they didn't do it right then, because they would have had to give me credit and God knows this industry can't do that, so it waited awhile and quietly added it in as standards for the industry. Pad should be 7/16ths inch high, but 1/2 inch can be used.
Later, I kept speaking on behalf of rebond pad--which was very cheap at the time and I was telling everyone that rebond pad was better than most all other pads, so they started upping the prices for rebond, to where it is as expensive as most all others, if not more-so--well, rubber costs more.
If you or anyone think that's not true, I can prove even more.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 3/7/2008 10:18:16 PM
I did not know Jim Ryan is the reason for a standard for cushion.
Where is the Standard Written?
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 3/7/2008 10:24:10 PM
quote:
I did not know Jim Ryan is the reason for a standard for cushion.
Where is the Standard Written?
hahahahahahaha, see there, it's whatever is wanted at the moment.
The mills taught the salesmen thru their sample carpets and the salespeople taught their customers the same ways.
That's why I asked you about face weight. Both face weight and tuft bind standards were common to all the information on the backs of the carpet samples until about 78. After that, the mills quit putting face weights and tuft bind standards on those sample pieces. Now they put other stuff on there.
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Ray Darrah
Posts: 1411
Since: 2/18/2008
| 3/7/2008 10:46:56 PM
There are Standards:
HUD/FHA:
D. Bonded
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ASTM D3574-91
density lbs./cu ft. –5% (polymer) 5.0 6.5
thickness in. –5% 0.375 0.375
The CRI-104 and 105 also have standards as do the manufacturers.
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10:47:59 PM
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 3/7/2008 11:33:58 PM
quote:
There are Standards:
HUD/FHA:
D. Bonded
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ASTM D3574-91
density lbs./cu ft. –5% (polymer) 5.0 6.5
thickness in. –5% 0.375 0.375
The CRI-104 and 105 also have standards as do the manufacturers.
Yea Ray, and we used to have a constitution in this country that ment something, until our so called leaders started spitting on it and the American people as well.
In my heart I know right from wrong, because my AMERICAN MOTHER TAUGHT ME. In my heart, mind and soul, I know my industry inside and out and while I may back off some, when other people try to treat me badly, well, let's just say I've been thrown off every board except for this one, because I will take a stand when pushed too hard or treated like an idiot.
Last Edited 3/7/2008
11:36:59 PM
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Jim Ryan
Posts: 958
Since: 1/12/2008
| 3/7/2008 11:48:55 PM
Ray, you say,---Is the standard 1/2"
I did not know Jim Ryan is the reason for a standard for cushion.
Where is the Standard Written?
I respond, don't you know the standards Ray? Shouldn't the inspectors know all the standards?
Standard height for pad is 7/16ths of an inch thick. 1/2 inch can be used, but if you put it up to the strip, it is taller than the nails that are suppossed to hold the carpet.
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Ray Darrah
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Jim Ryan
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Darian Brown
Posts: 712
Since: 2/5/2008
| 3/8/2008 9:43:34 AM
Did you have a percentage table to work by from the mill.
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