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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  2/5/2008 8:30:48 PM  manufacturer claims
The retailers need to do their part in hiring legal, subcontractors. If an installer is operating outside of the law then the odds that they are cutting corners on the installation are that much higher. What if there were a stipulation that stated, before the manufacturer will even consider a claim the retailer/designer/contractor must show proof that the installer/subcontractor being used, and all who worked with and under him on the particular job, is legal in all aspects of his business for the area that he is working in or there will be no claim considered by the manufacturer? This would certainly help in quality control.
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  2/5/2008 10:25:19 PM 
From what I've seen lately, there may be a lot of illegals in our trade right now. There would seem to be a lot in roofing, carpentry and probably all the trades.
If our industry were to set precedence, don't you think that all the other businesses hiring illegals, would come down hard on them and vice versa?
There may be a lot of illegals working in the mills, what then?
What you suggest would be the best for our nation, but it seems unlikely big business is going to give-up all the cheap labor,--aye?
It seems to me, that between big business, gov, investors and --the tax man--hehe, the illegals won't be leaving anytime soon--unless there is some huge natural or man made disaster of biblical proportions.
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  2/6/2008 9:03:03 PM 
You may be right after all your still here. With all manufacturers Jobs going over sea's. There's more people in need of jobs here.
( If our industry were to set precedence, don't you think that all the other businesses hiring illegals, would come down hard on them and vice versa?)
No I think the retailer would pay to get them legal. I seen it done Before remember if the workers are that good and you need them to make money than retailer will do it for them.
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  2/6/2008 10:16:23 PM 
From my perspective, to set precedence, one must be able to show not only a need, but the desire for justice, unless the precedence is in the opposing direction.
They say they want, but if one follows the money, reality sets in and if one is allowed, then the rest must follow or lose.
Has our industry not produced such a parallel?
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  2/7/2008 6:49:53 AM 
One must wonder why the advisors in america gave away so much of our manufacturing sector and then imported so many illegals, while the corporations, investors and gov demand more and more. That is insanity.
Labor is the only thing that produces wealth, but as more and more is taken from the working clas, they won't be able to afford new carpets, new washers and dryers, new or used homes and most big ticket items---along with all the insurances and taxes.
They are destroying our economy for the sake of corporations and heads of state.
Such stupidity will force more and more to lose even their healthcare and more, while forcing more and more families to move in together, as the illegals do.
We not only lost those manufacturers, but our gov gave them our tax money to move overseas. We also lost for all time, all the new innovations stemming from those sectors.
The housing sector will keep falling as home prices fall and that will cause more and more people to become up-side down in their mortgages and as they see this came about because of all the scams allowed by that industry and our gov, they will walk away from those homes, furthering the debacle.
The choices for president are all bought and paid for by the corporations that depend on selling to the world markets--where they find ever cheaper labor as they grow in size and power. Ron Paul is the only one that wants to abide by the constitution, which in turn must limit the size and scope of the corporatipons driving the destruction of the US.
By the above actions, more and more families will lose their healthcare--and at the same time, businesses are firing and or not hiring people with health problems or genetic problems. This in turn will put even more people on welfare that must send the cost of healthcare higher and higher.
That will hurt all businesses bottom line and make even them call for universal healthcare, bringing in the back door, a form of communisim, that so many say they don't want.
How can an entire nation be so stupid, is beyound me.
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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411 Since: 2/18/2008
|  2/19/2008 10:35:10 PM 
quote: The retailers need to do their part in hiring legal, subcontractors. If an installer is operating outside of the law then the odds that they are cutting corners on the installation are that much higher. What if there were a stipulation that stated, before the manufacturer will even consider a claim the retailer/designer/contractor must show proof that the installer/subcontractor being used, and all who worked with and under him on the particular job, is legal in all aspects of his business for the area that he is working in or there will be no claim considered by the manufacturer? This would certainly help in quality control.
Imagine the cost of policing this policy...
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Jim Ryan 
Posts: 958 Since: 1/12/2008
|  2/19/2008 10:38:27 PM 
quote: Imagine the cost of policing this policy...
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Not the mills,--not the retailers, not the agencies that claim to help installers or the unions are held responsible for anything and yet you think that without them you can tell installers what to do by law?
you are a funny guy.
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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411 Since: 2/18/2008
|  2/19/2008 10:42:15 PM 
the particular job, is legal in all aspects of his business for the area that he is working in or there will be no claim considered by the manufacturer? This would certainly help in quality control.
This is your statement. How would the manufacturer police this policy? The cost would not be worth the gain... x
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Darian Brown 
Posts: 712 Since: 2/5/2008
|  2/20/2008 9:16:59 PM 
By not paying you for your serves.
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Ray Darrah 
Posts: 1411 Since: 2/18/2008
|  2/20/2008 9:24:28 PM 
Works for me if it can be done.
But the plan is not cost effective.
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