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| | | Author | Message | Stephen Perrera 
Posts: 823
Since: 5/27/2008
|  3/24/2009 4:09:02 PM 
I want to know who these people are that are spreading this vicious lie again? Is it the IICRC again? 
I've seen it on inspection forums where the inspector is damning the installer for visable seams. I think I've even seen some right in this forum. Was it Ray, or Roger, not sure but who keeps restarting this horrible rumor?
http://www.floorbiz.com/BizForum/MSGViewThread.asp?ID=1130
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| Rusty Baker
Posts: 111
Since: 6/7/2008
| 3/24/2009 4:44:20 PM
Seams are OK, if you can't trip over them.
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| Stephen Perrera
Posts: 823
Since: 5/27/2008
| 3/24/2009 7:05:40 PM
I remember when I was a kid and my mom bought white shag carpet. The hackabilly installer sewed the seam in the hallway and I could trip over it. lol
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| Selva Lee Tucker
Posts: 634
Since: 5/25/2008
| 3/24/2009 8:50:49 PM
The carpet cleaners have always
pushed for the "the installer made it
so he is responsible for it", and be
dam about reality.
Hey? who is wearing blue jeans right
now? I know you can see the seams
on them!
I argued a few months ago with an
analyst who says inspectors say if
seams are visible it is a defect. I
reminded her that even "cover for
the mills"
CRI 104 and 105 say seams might
be visible and not a problem.
Lew has never installed. He is a nice
fellow, but, nope, reality is, anything
you join together will have a seam
and will be visible, glue two
pieces of
wood together, see a seam, curtains
have visible seams, shirts have visible
seams, and those last two are textile
just like carpet,
This goes back to one thing, keep
the mills happy by always blaming
the installer, the perceived weakest
link in the food chain. But, what
about
gauge lines or skewed carpet on the
primary sheet? umm, gee, but, wait,
the CRI104 and 105 say even
patterns may not match, yet,
each day,
carpet cleaning inspectors write up
as installation error patterns that are
impossible to match, but, again,
they can't do it, but, they blame
others for
something they can't do.
Installers have power, just hope
someday they realize it and get
"smart" to realize, together they
have power, but, not power from
associations that
are only for the top few so they can
make the big bucks.
One week of a "vacation" would
scare the manufacturers so bad,
things would change.
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| Barry Carlton
Posts: 162
Since: 6/30/2008
| 3/24/2009 9:30:01 PM
Selva!!!! My love!!!!
I have never before heard of anyone other than I use 'shirt seams, pant seams' I even use car seams (fenders, etc) Wood floor/cabinet seams....anything I can point to....they are all acceptable...just do not put it on the floor!!!!!! Heaven forbid!!!!! "My wallpaper is peeling, but I can see where me carpet is seamed....no, no, it is not loose...it's just that I can see the seam'
No breaks for the stupid installer.....what a sham
I mean shame!!
b
P.S.
sorry...another soapbox (I got a million of em)
b
quote:
The carpet cleaners have always
pushed for the "the installer made it
so he is responsible for it", and be
dam about reality.
Hey? who is wearing blue jeans right
now? I know you can see the seams
on them!
I argued a few months ago with an
analyst who says inspectors say if
seams are visible it is a defect. I
reminded her that even "cover for
the mills"
CRI 104 and 105 say seams might
be visible and not a problem.
Lew has never installed. He is a nice
fellow, but, nope, reality is, anything
you join together will have a seam
and will be visible, glue two
pieces of
wood together, see a seam, curtains
have visible seams, shirts have visible
seams, and those last two are textile
just like carpet,
This goes back to one thing, keep
the mills happy by always blaming
the installer, the perceived weakest
link in the food chain. But, what
about
gauge lines or skewed carpet on the
primary sheet? umm, gee, but, wait,
the CRI104 and 105 say even
patterns may not match, yet,
each day,
carpet cleaning inspectors write up
as installation error patterns that are
impossible to match, but, again,
they can't do it, but, they blame
others for
something they can't do.
Installers have power, just hope
someday they realize it and get
"smart" to realize, together they
have power, but, not power from
associations that
are only for the top few so they can
make the big bucks.
One week of a "vacation" would
scare the manufacturers so bad,
things would change.
Last Edited 3/24/2009
9:32:13 PM
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| Stephen Perrera
Posts: 823
Since: 5/27/2008
| 3/24/2009 10:37:47 PM
Ya know guys, years and years ago I read an article that stated textiles are not and never will be perfect. Yet, some people in this industry want to change that. However mills will admit that their carpet is not perfect yet some people out there expect installers to make it so.
This also applies to ALL floorcovering including resilient sheetgoods.
I have this really funny feeling Lee is correct in directing the blame on inexperienced carpet cleaners who never touched a carpet knife or seaming iron wanting to blame carpet installers for everything.
And yet some of their methods for cleaning carpet definetly will ruin carpet installations. ASTM or not!
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| Rusty Baker
Posts: 111
Since: 6/7/2008
| 3/25/2009 9:09:10 AM
I have seen carpet steam cleaned so hot that the carpet shrunk where it no longer reached the strip and the backing was falling apart. And they got mad because I couldn't fix it.
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| Stephen Perrera
Posts: 823
Since: 5/27/2008
| 3/26/2009 3:09:29 PM
Seems like ole Lew knows his stuff pretty good. And he even agrees with Jim Ryan about fillers.
Anyway, I was out doing some carpet repairs for this client who's dog tore up a berber. Carpet cleaners (IICRC) came out to clean some spots the dog pee'd on.
The cleaner walked in with a bucket of hot water with some smelly ole enzymes in it...I kid you not and poured it on the carpet. Let it soak all the way in and then sucked it out about ten minutes later.
I don't know about you but I don't think this couldn't be good for the carpet backing.
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| Roland Thompson
Posts: 281
Since: 2/27/2008
| 3/26/2009 11:33:42 PM
You better watch it Lew was a cleaner from Rochester NY. Lots of what he says is good but there is a few things that could be debated.
FD
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